nkp1981:

The Doctor and Jamie

nateofgreat:

The Jedi: You know we should probably make the Chancellor step down, as he’s become really powerful and shows no signs of reliquishing any of his emergency powers. We really don’t want to have to do this but if we don’t it could lead to tyranny across the Galaxy.

“Oh my gosh! Look at how corrupt and evil the Jedi have become, conspiring to remove the Chancellor from power! See, Palpatine was right! They’re planning to take over.”

Palpatine: Uses said emergency powers to name himself Emperor, genocides the Jedi, enslaves the Galaxy, builds a planet destroying weapon and violently conquers neutral systems.

“… It’s the Jedi’s fault.”

Yup. And tell that to Traviss and the supporters of her worldview

cobaltbeam:

they’re all buddies i love them /SOB

Loving the scene and the dartboard is spot on

elzar:

“You’re allowed to love people, but you’re not allowed to possess them.”
—George Lucas

1. STAR WARS: REBELS 4.13 A World Between Worlds
2. MIDNIGHT HORIZON (2022) by Daniel José Older
3. STAR WARS: ATTACK OF THE CLONES (2002) dir. George Lucas
4. STAR WARS: REBELS 4.10 Jedi Night
5. THE RISING STORM (2021) by Cavan Scott
6. STAR WARS: REBELS 1.08 Gathering Forces
7. STAR WARS: THE CLONE WARS 7.09 Old Friends Not Forgotten
8. LIGHT OF THE JEDI (2020) by Charles Soule
9. STAR WARS: THE CLONE WARS 1.13 Jedi Crash
10. STAR WARS: REBELS 4.15 Family Reunion - And Farewell

(via jedi-order-apologist)

gffa:

ABSOLUTELY FUCKING DYING AT OBI-WAN ROASTING THE SITH

THE JEDI ONLY USE LIGHTSABERS BECAUSE OF WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT WHO THEY ARE AS A PEOPLE

“BUT THE SITH USE THEM AS WELL?”

“WELL THAT’S BECAUSE THEY’RE OBSESSED WITH US.”

AND LIKE HE’S NOT WRONG.

THE SITH ARE PRETTY OBSESSED WITH THE JEDI

AND I’M JUST LOSING IT BECAUSE OBI-WAN CALLING THE SITH A BUNCH OF OBSESSED LOSERS IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE FUNNIEST THING

Burn Obi. Just a savage burn

(via gffa)

akiizayoi4869:

Thank you, Iroh’s VA.

(via akiizayoi4869)

saltinestyle:

You know, when people say “the Jedi are emotionless and cold and inhuman” I used to be like “wow ok please stay away from ND people since clearly you have a problem with people who don’t emote the way you think is acceptable and I don’t fancy being called a robot or an alien for the millionth time”

but then I re-watched the movies and actually the Jedi emote ALL over the place. This isn’t even a matter of the Jedi not being super expressive. They ARE plenty expressive.

So the only thing I can think of is people heard “be mindful of your feelings” and threw a fit and went “WOW so I guess I cant have ANY feelings now and I’m just expected to be an emotionless robot” which is the kind of exaggeration I was taught to look out for in a class about emotional manipulation.

So.

Still a good reason to avoid people who think the Jedi were emotionless and inhuman.

Yeah blame Legends for that misinformation. They took it and ran with it. Some authors like Zahn, Alliston, Stackpole and Golden got it but most didn’t.

david-talks-sw:

When a Star Wars writer engages with the material but not the narrative.

I’m writing a long post about the Jedi and the clone troopers and there’s a whole section that I had to remove because it was too long:

Karen Traviss’ take on the Jedi and the clones.

I already wrote about why Karen Traviss’ take on the Jedi and Yoda doesn’t track with what George Lucas had established in his narrative of the Prequels. Since then, I’ve been able to do more research.

It’s no secret that one of the reasons Traviss listed for criticizing the Jedi in the Expanded Universe books she wrote is their treatment of the clones (or at least what she understood it to be).

In 2008, she wrote a now-deleted blog post about it (it was really long, so I’m only including the part relevant to my point, if you want the full context you can look it up, this is old stuff).

So if you ask me, in the above quote, Traviss is essentially doing the equivalent of saying:

“Batman is a psycho elitist who beats up the mentally ill and indoctrinates kids, turning them into child soldiers for his unending crazy vigilante war on crime, and if you can’t recognize that then you scare the living crap out of me.”

Like… you can argue that, and a couple of comics have argued that.

But by and large, the general consensus is that Batman is a superhero, the Robins are his sons and daughter, and the “mentally ill” are in fact the Joker and Two-Face aka mass murderers.

So if you make that argument, that’s you applying your real-life values and conclusions to a narrative that deliberately doesn’t acknowledge those points, in-universe, in order to tell the story it wants to tell.

It’s counting on your suspension of disbelief, defined as “the avoidance—often described as willing—of critical thinking and logic in understanding something that is unreal or impossible in reality, such as something in a work of speculative fiction, in order to believe it for the sake of enjoying its narrative.”

The Jedi accepting the clones and the clones being slaves isn’t a “delicate point”. It’s barely a point at all!

• It’s never addressed in the film (because of course it isn’t, the Prequels are about Anakin and the Republic, not the clones).
• It’s only addressed once by Slick, an unreliable narrator, in The Clone Wars.

That’s it. Hell, in 2008, when The Clone Wars writer Henry Gilroy was asked to comment on the relationship between clones and Jedi, he explicitly said he’d “rather not get into” that particular point.

I recently got Mythmaking: Behind the Scenes of ‘Attack of the Clones’ and nowhere is that detail touched on by Lucas at any point.

Nobody wants to touch on that point with a 10ft pole, because it’s not relevant to the story.

So while Traviss acknowledges the Jedi are fictional characters, she doesn’t follow that thread through to the end by acknowledging that fictional characters don’t have free will, they must abide by the story and the whim of the writer.

She’s engaging with the material, but refusing to engage with the narrative. She’s having her cake and eating it too.

My reason for saying all this is that in the book Star Wars on Trial, she elaborates on her thought process upon discovering this detail.

Shortly before to this, she acknowledges twice that she knew nothing about Star Wars, beside seeing the original films in her youth.

Another writer who saw the new films and saw Mace Windu argue against there being a war…

… the worry on his face at the prospect of the Jedi being thrown at the Separatists…

… and the sheer melancholy on Yoda’s face upon announcing the Clone War had begun…

… might have instead wondered how the Jedi, so opposed to war, could’ve ended up being generals.

Because while we don’t see the Jedi openly protest the use of the clones in the film… they’re not exactly giddy about it, either. All they can do is watch powerlessly as it gets voted by the Senate.

“The Jedi are there. But the Jedi aren’t really allowed to be involved in the political process. They’re there, but they can’t suddenly step up and say, "No, no. You can’t do that.” They have to let the political process go.“
- George Lucas, Attack of the Clones, Commentary #2, 2002

We also don’t see them take on the role of generals, either.

We only see them begrudgingly lead troops on Geonosis, specifically.

But they’re not referred to as "generals” yet.

Another writer might have imagined a scene where after Geonosis, Mace Windu talks to Palpatine thinking the Jedi will go back to their roles as diplomats, and that what we saw in Attack of the Clones was a one-time thing to save Obi-Wan, but Palpatine politely goes:

“Ha! No. Didn’t you hear? The Senate was so impressed by your performance on Geonosis that they voted to make you all generals in the GAR. Now, get back to the front.”

Another writer might’ve elected to write them having that “big moral debate” she mentions.

Instead, Traviss immediately jumps on the “Jedi are elitists” train.

Because her personal experience with the military makes her sympathize with the clones and her personal belief is that - while the story may frame the Jedi as “the good guys” - nobody is that good a guy, real life people aren’t that pure and selfless. There’s gotta be something off about them and aHA! That’s what it is!

That’s her choosing to take that line of thought instead of one more in-line with the story, because she perceives it as unrealistic. But like… Star Wars isn’t real life, it’s a fairy tale.

That’s like saying:

“The hunter in Little Red Riding Hood commits animal cruelty by cutting the Wolf open. He should’ve let nature take its course, the wolf earned that meal fair and square. If you think the hunter should’ve saved Red Riding Hood and her Grandma, then clearly you’re the kind of monster who thinks one life is worth more than others.”

… no?

The story’s narrative clearly portrays the wolf as the villain of the tale and frames the Hunter saving Red Riding Hood as a good thing.

Disagreeing with that narrative is absolutely fine, but anybody who acknowledges the wolf is the bad guy in the story isn’t automatically an animal hater and/or a bad person. Just because you say “the wolf is the villain” doesn’t mean that you think that, in real life, killing wolves for shits and giggles is good.

Conversely, the narrative of the Prequels asks you to suspend your disbelief and not consider the implications that having a clone army entails. Because the use of clones doesn’t have a direct impact on either Anakin or the Senate’s stories.

Exactly. That’s what I have a problem with her take on Star Wars. This is a person who purposely avoided any media having to do with Star Wars and decided that maybe she should write a story in Star Wars. Now she was commissioned to write a story in a vacuum then I would just say she’s a mediocre author, but as a Star Wars author, she is awful. She’s awful because she ignores the plot points from the freaking movies which is the highest form of canon, both in Legends, and in the current canon. She ignores characters and makes up whatever she wants. She character bashes, which annoys the ever living heck out of me when I seen a fan fic writer so when I see it in someone who is supposed to be a professional author, I get really pissed off about it. I’ll admit I get mostly annoyed because she takes characters that I love like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Rex, Ahsoka, Palleon, Anakin and turns them into unrecognizable jerks in the case of Palleon and Rex or pushovers, that she can run over because she has to MAKE A POINT. Not to mention, she seems to have a pathological hatred for Obi-Wan. And she projects that hatred through other characters. Namely Anakin. Yeah I’ll let that sink in on how dumb that is. And her original characters? They come across as sexist emotionally manipulative abusers. That is if they’re not murdering someone and using their skin as gloves or purposely withholding information, they could’ve ended the war a lot sooner. Or helping someone committing genocide and OK with committing mass murder through biological warfare… I’m talking about that time that mad scientist character reverse thought it was OK to start a pandemic on Coruscant because she could…. I could go on.

Another breakdown of dumb quotes

“Your prowess with a lightsaber is childish vanity.” Excuse me? That’s an ancient martial art form.

“Your physical Force powers are no more than a conjuror’s trick, sleight of hand to dazzle the ordinary beings you should be serving.” Sounds like something that I’ve heard from the Path of the Open Hand…you know the bad guys of High Republic…Also why do you care about regular people?

“You profane these powers by using them as weapons in war.” Wait are they a conjurors trick meaning not real or are they real? Inconsistent much?

And you fail to grasp the single, simple, uncompromising duty of the true Jedi. The Jedi is the rock-lion at the gate who says, “I will defend these beings with my life, and that is the sum of me.”” Oh what was this person doing fire this conflict *looks at notes* mediating and watching. TV….Yeah shut up.

“Etain Tur-Mukan died to save one life,” You mean protecting a man participating in a genocide?

“a man she did not even know, but felt compelled to save, (because he was gunning down teenagers fleeing a genocide?) and that is what made her stronger in the Force and a truer Jedi than any of you acrobats, tricksters, and specious, empty philosophers.” By protecting someone from teenagers who were fighting in self defense against people subjecting them to genocide….yeah get out of here with that crap.

—Kina Ha, Jedi Knight; unsure of her exact age, but at least a thousand years old (She’s Traviss’s mouthpiece as you can see.)

Yes she’s justifying genocide and saying this to Scout a survivor of said genocide. And again she did nothing during the TCW except watching tv and mediating. And oh she’s a Kaminoan Jedi because Traviss didn’t pay attention to the movies at all.